I understand your thoughts but if you showed more patience in holding Rice you would probably make a deal though. Besides this, of course nobody wants to give you an easy championship again! I would rather deal a 1st rounder to some else than to a CJ,AP and AR owner
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Personally I don’t consider Rice as a surefire Top5 back as Fabiano stated in his recent NFL.com RB rankings. From an underperforming rookie backup /committee back he became the starting job in 2009 and he did very well. But despite his success, you can't call Rice a true featured back. McGahee will be in the mix again and for me there is just no guarantee that he can repeat same numbers. Compared to Rice, guys like Moreno, McCoy, Greene and even Wells are probably more valued on point or UNDERVALUED by Fabiano heading into 2010 drafts. In my situation I value Moreno over Rice because of his rookie status (what makes me able to keep Brees+Williams+Austin) and his potential upside. He can be a Top 10 fantasy back as long as he can stay healthy. He runs with authority, speed and he is a remarkable athlete. Secondly, playing in the AFC West opens Moreno up for some big games every season, and should enable him to have a few 1,000-yard seasons.
Take it easy, Rene
Okay, I now understand your point. I would say that the value of a player is not defined by other trades, but by the value he brings to the teams involved. Every player has subjective value to the teams involved, often based on the position he plays, the strength of both teams involved, the past performances of the player, etc. What you consider a 3rd round pick I might consider a 1st, and vice versa. So Moreno+3rd for Edelman+1st is a trade I wouldn't do with my current roster, but for Rene and Thomas it made sense for them. Thomas was able to essentially trade Moreno+2nd for R. Rice+3rd ... a good trade on his part. However, if I was in possession of his roster I wouldn't have made EITHER trade. That's the subjective value coming into play.
From my estimate you accepted the best offer available. If you were steadfast in your stance that you wouldn't accept less than a 1st for Rice, then I think the deal you got was a fine deal for you. I'm guessing that had you accepted less for Rice you would've still gotten high picks (for instance, ask for a 2nd and offer a 5th+Rice), and the loss of return pick would've been easier for you to handle. Also, it was possible that you simply could have demanded a 2nd round pick straight for Rice. Return picks in a trade are nice to offer, but they're not required. Those are just two examples of how I would have continued negotiations, but I have no idea if you did or did not do the same.
I would tend to agree with the underlying point of Rene's post above. The value of Rice is subjective, and his position as a veteran RB is limiting compared to a rookie, thus the value is harder to collect on due to these limitations. For Rene's roster Moreno has more value than Rice, even for the same pick in the draft. For my roster Rice has less value than Maclin. In both examples we'd need to drop a quality keeper player in order to make room for Rice, and it's not smart to sacrifice a 1st round pick just to make a marginal improvement in keeper quality.
I understand the frustration. Seeing a #4 RB traded for less return on value than a top rookie RB is strange before each trade is dissected.
Eigentlich hatte ich es gestern schon gepostet, aber irgendwie hat es nicht geklappt...
Berlin Patriots and Lichtenberg Cowboys announcing the following trade:
Berlin Patriots give: 1.11 Rookie + 7.11 Veteran
Cowboys give: 2.7 Rookie + 6.11 Veteran
Gehrden Warriors and Stockerau Bulldogs announce the following trade:
Gehrden Warriors trade Brandon Marshall + pick 4.09
Stockerau Bulldogs trade pick 3.02
EDIT (Commish): eingetragen
Die Gehrden Warriors und die Lichtenberg Cowboys haben sich auf folgenden Trade geeinigt:
Larry Fitzgerald + 2.12 vs. Drew Brees + 3.9
EDIT (Commish): eingetragen
Marburg Crusaders trade:
Sidney Rice WR MIN
Wiener Schnitzels trade:
Marion Barber RB DAL
ranallo10 schrieb:Marburg Crusaders trade:
Sidney Rice WR MIN
Wiener Schnitzels trade:
Marion Barber RB DAL
whooo, did you hear the rumours that Rice needs surgery on his hip and could miss the first half of the season?
Above trade helped both our teams and was a good decision at that time.
I am sorry man, that would be really bad luck for you, if he has to miss some time, but I will not be as generous and cancel the trade...
Dan_the_Man schrieb:whooo, did you hear the rumours that Rice needs surgery on his hip and could miss the first half of the season?
Above trade helped both our teams and was a good decision at that time.
I am sorry man, that would be really bad luck for you, if he has to miss some time, but I will not be as generous and cancel the trade...
Shit happens, no worries
I'll deal with it if the rumor comes to fruition. Besides, I never even thought of asking you to cancel the trade.
now it's official: Sidney Rice had hip surgery on Monday and will miss the first half of the season...
Dan_the_Man schrieb:now it's official: Sidney Rice had hip surgery on Monday and will miss the first half of the season...
bad luck sucks!
on the other hand, even a injured Sidney Rice is more worth than Barber
